TheLastTaterTot leads an informal seminar/round table on exotic applications of Walking Trails:
Patti Tatertot
This is what Otto said: "Here is the conclusion we reached the other night in New York. If you want people to be routed to the end of a WT, then connect it, but disallow the inward turns, just in case. If the destination pin is closest to that WT segment, the routing prompts and purple line will end where the WT starts, but the destination flag will be visible at the actual final point."
I do not believe that is 100% true
Patti • Sun, 4:57 AM
Pesach Z
🔒
Pesach • Sun, 4:58 AM
Patti Tatertot
Thanks
Patti • Sun, 4:58 AM
Pesach Z
What do you believe is not true about that?
Pesach • Sun, 4:58 AM
Patti Tatertot
though I do not know what he means by "end of the WT"
he's currently in the middle of a couple other conversations, I think.. So I haven't gotten a response from him.
Could you tell me what you guys mean by that?
Patti • Sun, 4:59 AM
Pesach Z
OK let me find an example
Pesach • Sun, 4:59 AM
Patti Tatertot
okay
Patti • Sun, 5:00 AM
Pesach Z
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=usa&lon=-73.85801&lat=40.81385&zoom=7&segments=81523089
lets look at a route to 7 Murray Ct, Bronx NY
https://www.waze.com/livemap?lon=-73.85791&lat=40.81405&zoom=15&from_lat=40.81771&from_lon=-73.85748&to_lat=40.81405&to_lon=-73.85791
Pesach • Sun, 5:01 AM
Patti Tatertot
So by "inward turns", is he referring to the turns from the WT?
not turns onto the WT
Patti • Sun, 5:02 AM
Pesach Z
No, kets just look here for a min
Pesach • Sun, 5:02 AM
Patti Tatertot
k
yes, this is the kind of behavior I would expect from a WT
Patti • Sun, 5:02 AM
Pesach Z
a week ago this segmetn was close to but not connected to soundview.
Pesach • Sun, 5:03 AM
Patti Tatertot
That's connected with turns allowed onto it.
Patti • Sun, 5:03 AM
Pesach Z
it was closer to soundview than bolton, but a route to 7 Murray CT, still ended on bolton near the segment
Pesach • Sun, 5:03 AM
Patti Tatertot
YES
Patti • Sun, 5:03 AM
Pesach Z
when connected it forces the route to go to the end of the WT that is connected to the network (in this cae the end of the WT is the node at soundview)
BUT if you look in livemap the purple line does turn onto Murray (the WT). the red arrows leaving the WT prevent any through routing or uturns.
Pesach • Sun, 5:05 AM
Patti Tatertot
so by "end of the WT", you guys mean the end that connects to the drivable segment?
Patti • Sun, 5:05 AM
Pesach Z
If you want to prevent the pruple line from making tht last trun onto the WT, but still route to proper end of the WT (soundview) you connect it but dont allow the turns into it.
yes End=junction, the end we care about is an end junctioned where the WT can be accessed by drivers
refresh wme and look at the turns now
Pesach • Sun, 5:07 AM
Patti Tatertot
okay
let me show you some screenshots of my WT experiment in Providence
Patti • Sun, 5:07 AM
Pesach Z
this is how he was saying to do it so you dont get the last bend of the purple line, But the flag will still show up in the same place, and route will take you through soundview and not bolton
Pesach • Sun, 5:08 AM
Patti Tatertot
I haven't finished my experiment in Queens bc I don't have access right now... But I didn't see a difference between disconnection vs overlapping with no junction.
okay, so I think there is another rule involved
And it's not as simple as that.
I'll show you examples.
Patti • Sun, 5:09 AM
Pesach Z
I thought you said you DID see a difference between just disconnected, and overlapping
Pesach • Sun, 5:09 AM
Patti Tatertot
Nope
Oh wait
Patti • Sun, 5:09 AM
Pesach Z
that when it was overlapping Waze would route to either end
Pesach • Sun, 5:09 AM
Patti Tatertot
let me restate so it's clear
Patti • Sun, 5:09 AM
Pesach Z
i'll brb, you type
Pesach • Sun, 5:09 AM
Patti Tatertot
k
I'm going to enumerate, so the points that I'm trying to make is more distinct.
So, there are 4 types of interactions with WT. (1) Disconnected and not overlapping, (2) Disconnected and overlapping, and (3) Connected, turns onto it disabled, (4) Connected, turns onto it enabled
For the 4th type where the WT is connected to a drivable road via a junction AND has turns onto it enabled, it behaves just as you would expect it would and routes people onto the WT segment to the destination.
(2) and (3) behave the same. That is, whether it is disconnected+overlapping or connected+turns onto it disabled, routing to a destination closest to the WT is the same.
The first type also behaves like (2) and (3), but that gets slightly tricky bc it's harder to measure distances to nearby roads, so harder to predict the behavior... unless the difference in distance is obvious.
I argue with the statement about type 1
Pesach • Sun, 5:17 AM
Patti Tatertot
Sure, I haven't experimented with the first one as much.
I'd really like to hear about what you've found
Patti • Sun, 5:17 AM
Pesach Z
An address on the WT, closest to the WT, the WT was closest to Soundview but the route ended on Bolton
Pesach • Sun, 5:17 AM
Patti Tatertot
But first let me explain what i've found
😛
Patti • Sun, 5:17 AM
Pesach Z
I thought you were done
I'll be quiet
Pesach • Sun, 5:19 AM
Patti Tatertot
What did you get for when the WT is connected, but with turns ONTO it disabled? (type 3)
Patti • Sun, 5:19 AM
Pesach Z
IIRC the flag is at pin location, the purple line stops at the red arrow
Pesach • Sun, 5:21 AM
Patti Tatertot
Btw, for the sake of simplicity, I'm going to lump type 2 and 3 together. More testing needs to be done, but let's just assume they are the same for now.
Did you test several start origins?
Patti • Sun, 5:23 AM
Patti Tatertot
anyway
Here is what I get for a connected WT with turns onto it disabled...
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