It was not really fair to try using the german page with all its English content as a negative example (which, as I read, did not work) because it was you who copied all the english content over. Nevertheless the conclusion was, that the german layout works better.
I will work on getting rid of all those templates. Because every change you make to the templates take effect on the german page and all the other places from where they are linked. Think about that when you try out layout changes.
It´s not only for your pleasure, it´s for the community's pleasure.
--morlano 10:42 26 September 2010 (CET)
Hi Morlano
You have misunderstood my intent.
1. I never offered the Deutsch page as a negative example. I offered it as a different example. An example with Table of Contents but without subheadings.
2. The whole point of the templates is to allow people to have at least some content until some wonderful, dedicated person like you and others can provide the content in the local language. I'm open to better ideas on how to do it.
3. I wonder whether the page is better renamed to Deustchland? Are the road rules and language similar enough for Austria? Switzerland? I think we need to have pages by country rather than language but maybe there can be exceptions. What do you think?
4. When using the Wiki, do you set the language to DE or keep is at EN?
--Waynemcdougall 18:42, 30 September 2010 (UTC) Quick question for you. Do you browse the Wiki with the language set to Deutsch? Are all the links in Deutsch, like at the top of the page - the Wiki links. Or do you just leave it as English? --Waynemcdougall 22:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi Morlano. Thanks for the message. I saw your comments. I see you were the last editor of the page so I can understand how you would be attached to it. I don't agree with you, but am interested in discussing it further and have responded. And if a few people think I'm wrong, then that's fine. You can make of it what you will.
I won't be bothered either way. Just trying to make things better. --Waynemcdougall 09:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Shame on me. This is great stuff. Thank you for getting me 100% right. The contextual changes are great and I love the representation and look an feel.
Now you are being too hard on yourself. I am sorry that my Deutsch is 1% of your English. I am very glad that they are teaching the correct ideas of HTML in computer science. I considered all the points you raised and made my conclusions about presentation for the front page - thinking about new users. But you can see it is easily changed, and the main alternative layout is now on German. You have done a great job on the German page.
I hope it will grow and change and improve.
I think there are very few people that care about the Wiki. I am glad you are one. I think there are few people because it has not been very helpful. I hope to change that. You are helping. When more people care, it will get better, faster.
I am altering your changes to USA Spanish. Spanish in USA is not the same as Spanish in Spain. There are over 34 million Spanish speakers in USA. 17 million do not speak English well or at all. Many are waze users. --Waynemcdougall 19:33, 19 September 2010 (UTC)